as much as we think we know, the fact that osama bin laden is dead, terrific, that broke up core al qaeda. but no one capable of 9-11, that's a dangerous road to go down and say that publicly. they are still very fearful someone is going to get a body bomb on an airplane or another printer cartridge that will actually work to bring down an airplane. and frankly, who knows what other plots are out there? i don't mean to sound doom and gloom but i don't think we know what we don't know. even though our intelligence is pretty terrific. gwen: and international surveillance. we're not going to give that up -- >> and we had al-zarqawi who is bin laden's number two guy and number one guy in core al qaeda if you want to call it that, communicating with the head of al qaeda on the arabian peninsula. that tells you something, too. gwen: was there any sense at the white house, alexis, that part of what drove this was in the way that edward snowden drove the announcements about surveillance today that the -- the fallout from benghazi may have driven some of his decision to shut down so many embassies